Just for the record, the whole bad relationship comes from Pallist having a hard on for DJ for whatever reason.
If you had two braincells and actually read the posts instead of just throwing out dumbass comments, then you should know who i am.And i'm not intentionally hiding under a different name, orilt was my first character's name, and i'm not gonna bother make a new forum account to satisfy some random idiot who also have a different ingame name than his forum name.
Quote from: fitteslim on March 02, 2019, 02:34:14 amJust for the record, the whole bad relationship comes from Pallist having a hard on for DJ for whatever reason. Long post
I don't get what's wrong with having a vendetta against someone. PvP games need reasons to fight. And DJ driving players away from our beloved game seems as good a reason as any.I don't have any personal feelings for or against DJ. He was and is a colorful character. But he did send me a few personal tells that left me asking "WTF did I just read...?" Kind of like when Dragonx leads clans, it makes one slap one's forehead and think "Man, I hope those players move past that bad experience and stick with the game".
What @fitteslim said is true - Garbage Men and Horde almost never even seen each other in the game. I said almost never as for sure Horde saw Butthurt Pallist when he left and decided to asset damage Horde because he got too little attention while being a member. But anyways - opposite sites of the map in a localized world. There was only one thing that Butthurt Pallist and his clan competed in against Horde - recruitment. That's why Garbage Men (mostly Pallist) were so obsessed with Horde being present in Ork/Mahirim chat, posting recruitment messages. He keeps mentioning it. Garbage Men tried their best yet failed to attract almost any new players while Horde was getting them. You wonder why? One doesn't need a deep analysis (Horde being an established, well known clan with years of presence in dfo, same leadership, etc) to see the problem - it's enough to just look at the clan names...Butthurt Pallist couldn't stand DJ/Horde being better at recruitment. As almost every new Ork/Mahirim went to Horde Pallist decided to try and steal some of them from Horde hence the "friendly duels" he mentioned and other attempts - mostly talks behing DJ's back but also tries to diminish Horde's power by joining every fight he could against them. DJ is not stupid, he saw that as what it was. Even after all the work put in, these few guys that left Horde (and then almost immediately went inactive) didn't want to join you Pallist. They created their own clan. Yeah, different name. At that point game was on its way out (population dying). Horde went inactive, Butthurt Pallist initiated the war vs Horde.You are a failure as a clan leader. Stop pointing at Horde. Be a man (and not a Garbage Man) for a moment and look into mirror - at least 50% responsibility for that terrible name you guys have (Garbage Men) is yours Pallist (as you started the clan with some other guy).
Quote from: Sorrow Avaritia on March 03, 2019, 01:21:08 pm...Garbage Men are funny though, they are barely better than new players, yet they seem to look down on actual new players, because they manage to beat them. Standard occurrence in Darkfall, and a comic insight into humans' tribal psychology. Clans form by "pro" players branching out, wanting more freedom to act in their desired way, which was previously denied by a leadership figure who might've been less skilled than the "pros". After forming their new clans, the "pros" recruit a few of the previous clan's members who are aligned with the pros' feelings, and seek out more members in the form of fresh meat to mold to their psychology and way of playing, aka noobs. The noobs are attracted by a sense of power, either it be in the form of player skill, or political dominance in the game world or forums. In the harsh gameworld of Agon, they want to feel protected, and a sense of belonging to a tribe; ultimately believeing that just by serving a skillful player, they will imbue his skill and power. And so, many a cocky noob have risen and fallen in Agon. They raid a few times together with pros, thinking that their skill have any impact on the battle. With time, they believe themselves to be skillful too, when in fact it's just the combination of meatshield numbers and a few pro players carrying the rest that wins the clan their battles. Then sometimes, wars break out between clans, that can last for several weeks. This becomes a psychological strain for all players, where we've seen valuable holdings sieged at odd hours in weekdays - something very annoying when happening consecutively. Add on top of this losing consecutively to more elite clans, with the noobs' leaders pointing out mistakes and blaming the new players for their faults. The size of their fat banks, built up with a cocky attitude in times of peace, slowly drained down, until only their leafblade and some r30s remain. By this time, several month old noobs, even long time vets who suck, will have their ego buckling under the external pressure they're faced with. Their illusion, that they have obtained the same 1337 skills as their "pro" leaders, who taught them how to fight and who built their banks up, were nothing more than a sunday brunch for the truly elite clans (who ofcourse only rarely, if ever, recruit noobs), comes crashing down. At the end of the day, their brains are lesser to those who have PvPed more than anyone on the server, and they still remain noobs, who at the end of the day will never be able to become "pro" players, and lead their own clans. So they install LoL, and quit Darkfall, calling it a toxic zergfest with cheaters.Pretty much the explanation for all the mass-exodus events Darkfall has seen after every major clan war. Lux Arcana, Horde, SKD, SUN etc. pretty much suffered the same thing. Most players will just suck, no matter the effort, and that's something they can't cope with.
...Garbage Men are funny though, they are barely better than new players, yet they seem to look down on actual new players, because they manage to beat them.