Quote from: Nataz on November 08, 2018, 10:10:51 pmJust stop @Ivar_theBoneless , you're clueless, as always. As in everything, its not over before a close done.You should talk to your nov 5 self. Try to get on the same page internallyQuote #18 - November 05, 2018, 03:03:16 pmIts a weird timing for Marc to conclude that he is not gonna speak to the "trolls" anymore, the trolls that informed him that his company is in liquidation. This ship is going down, 100%, and probably quite soon.Its radio silence cause there isnt any good news and most likely bad news, very bad news. Makes me wonder if the server is still up out of stubborness and pride.At least you're a fucking idiot to the end Nataz
Just stop @Ivar_theBoneless , you're clueless, as always. As in everything, its not over before a close done.
#18 - November 05, 2018, 03:03:16 pmIts a weird timing for Marc to conclude that he is not gonna speak to the "trolls" anymore, the trolls that informed him that his company is in liquidation. This ship is going down, 100%, and probably quite soon.Its radio silence cause there isnt any good news and most likely bad news, very bad news. Makes me wonder if the server is still up out of stubborness and pride.
I'm pretty sure if they were shit out of luck by this point there would be no reason for silence. What can they really gain, a few 100 euros in client sales? Makes no sense, makes more sense they are working on a big patch and dont want to admit we wont be seeing anything until after New Year and so they say nothing.
Quote from: Mycke on November 09, 2018, 05:01:07 amI'm pretty sure if they were shit out of luck by this point there would be no reason for silence. What can they really gain, a few 100 euros in client sales? Makes no sense, makes more sense they are working on a big patch and dont want to admit we wont be seeing anything until after New Year and so they say nothing.I've never had any issue with you whether it be ingame or on the forums, I've always appreciated your perspective even though it often differs from mine, but you've said this a few times now and I do have a huge issue with people spreading ignorance. You can't be pretty sure of what they would do in the event that the ship is sinking and there are a lot of reasons to keep silent about it. If you can't think of some valid ones I guess most of your other opinions are invalid too. Fuck, I've even posted some within a a couple of minutes of thinking in response to someone.Don't you own a bookshop or something (or at least had to move a lot of books)? That should to some extend imply that you are not as gullible and ignorant as people that have actually never read one.
One reason why would be restricted communications in their agreement with AV. There are lots of possible reasons.
That makes no sense, there is no valid legal reason that such a clause would be included in an initial contract, the idea their contract included 'in the event of possible termination no public communication of said termination shall be permitted'. Even in a renegotiation to keep the game going there would be no reason for a clause limiting communication.
Fine can you give me a reason why, if they really knew they were shutting for sure, why it would be adventages to not tell us? I understand you are caught up in the gloom and doom, but im a critical thinker and don't buy into nonsense, so make sense for me here?I find it ridiculous that you 'don't appreciate' me being reasonable and not caught up in the gloom and doom, so show me you aren't the one being absurd here.
Not entirely sure how you believe they are working on the game but can't get patch done. They seem to be conflicting statements but maybe you mean finish the patch while there is a game to save.There is a lot of different reasons to why they would not be honest with what they are doing or whats going on. I'm not saying that is the case but think things through and decide for yourself. Most people are not good people, and even if they are good people, everyone has flaws. How could anyone possibly believe they have the same interest as you/we do, that is almost never the case. If you are lucky, your interests align. I mean what is the chance that anyone can be clueless enough not to know about a legal process in their own country, against their own company, before a forum of random people finds out? I can't remember when that process was started, but that "vacation" has always seems suspicious to me.Here you got some examples:They can't give up official because they are having legal troubles. Giving up would most likely restart the liquidation process and lead to court because then they no longer have a "valuable asset" and nothing to bargain with.They might be negotiating with another company to take this over since they cant handle it, looks better while its still alive.It looks better on your CV if a company dies after you leave.Admitting failure is hard, far from everyone can do it.Every little bit of money helps, new subs and new alts brings some amount of money.Point is that I can keep going. Not saying any of this is true, just saying "we are working" doesn't mean shit when we don't don't see the result or any type of status update.But hey, its all good cause there is a GM in game that says it is all good. Why would anyone in the world ever lie about anything.
I'm not trying to break your arguments by googling, you are not worth the effort of me trying to educate myself. If I do that I do it because I have a genuine interest, not because you are being ignorant.What I wrote is based on logic and I don't have degree like you, my degree is highly related to... logic. Since you say that you have a degree that "includes to tort law", and since I assume that you are not pathetic enough to lie about it, could I hear your opinion on what I wrote about the "silence clause" (which if you read my statement has nothing to do with silence, but rather things that could be triggered by a break of silence). If I wrote it in a bad way or if you for some reason have problem comprehending what I wrote I'll try to summarize:- Could there be a clause that they can't give up on the game without discussing it with AV. of course, but irrelevant) - Could there be a clause for them knowingly damaging the population. probably not- Could there be a clause for an SLA. no, this is a form of lease not a service or supplier- Could there be a clause that prevents them from damaging the Darkfall brand/franchise. saying the game is shutting down doesnt damage the brand- Could there be a clause for amount of players they need to bring in. probably not, as long as AV gets theirs the lease is good - Could there be a clause for AV/TD to get a portion of the player fees. would more likely be based on revenue/profit more than player base #s- Could the contract be formulated in such a way that they are more caretakers than owners. I have no idea what this meanYet a fucking gain, think before you type. My degree has nothing to do with law, I should not be better at this than you are.
Another reason could be simple stubbornness on Marc's part to admit defeat even if shutdown is imminent. If faced with facts where the rest of us would interpret "100% chance of shutdown" he could doggedly insist there's a 10% chance of pulling it off. And of course, in that case, he'd be a fool to admit to any chance of shutdown.There are no absolutes here, there are tons of possibilities.
TL:DR: @Mycke you are retarded, go back to school. Motherfucker, only thing I'm saying is that you are misrepresenting facts, I'm not trying to support a theory about the game, I'm not vain enough for that. You misrepresenting the facts however is not a theory, it is a FACT. I don't give a fuck what is happening, really. I'm waiting for them to start communicating and behaving like professionals, nothing else. I don't think that they will, but hey can't really do shit about that.If I've said something about this game, in every single post I've made, I've said that it is my opinion. I have no clue what is going on, I've never said I do. I just correct idiots like you when they claim they know better. I even manage to expose that special little chromosome that keeps you unknowingly happy with an argument that wasn't even mine because you couldn't be bothered to think before you answered rim. I clearly said that this isn't what I believe the case to be, just that you are wrong saying that its not. I believe that if they are not shutting down (if they think its dead) it has to do with them not being allowed to by the people that has a case against them. I believe that it is the only way for their creditors to get some kind of money back, since they don't have shit to sell off. I believe, meaning it is not even an opinion and far from a theory.This is my last post on this topic since there is one thing I've made my mind up about, you are a little insecure and incapable person that really isn't worth much. Expert in you field? God I hope that you do not work in law, cause if you do, you are no expert and you are probably fucking with peoples lives. In your answers to me you even manage to do the same fucking thing you did when I wrote my initial response, represent what ever you are saying as factual statements.- Could there be a clause that they can't give up on the game without discussing it with AV. [of course, but irrelevant]Its not irrelevant if they need a go from AV then chances are they can't announce this either. Its not irrelevant because speaking with AV could back in the day be a nightmare.- Could there be a clause for them knowingly damaging the population. [probably not]Fucking idiot. If AV gets money based on revenue, you better expect this clause to be there. Would you write a contract without it? I guess we go back to how good you are at something you studied, which doesn't say much.- Could there be a clause for an SLA. [no, this is a form of lease not a service or supplier]Sorry have you read the contract or are you pushing you opinions and dim wit thoughts as facts again?- Could there be a clause that prevents them from damaging the Darkfall brand/franchise. [saying the game is shutting down doesnt damage the brand]Chromosome fail. How they say it could, which is reflected in my full text. How it is done, could. If people loose hope in this game it damages the franchise.- Could there be a clause for amount of players they need to bring in. [probably not, as long as AV gets theirs the lease is good ]Sorry, missed the part about you reading the contract again. Could you please post it so I could educate myself instead of you? You have no clue how this is set up. It could be a one time fee, a license fee or a percentage of the income. If it is a percentage of the income during a certain period of time any good lawyer, which isn't you, would include this.- Could there be a clause for AV/TD to get a portion of the player fees. [would more likely be based on revenue/profit more than player base #s]You are a within two sentences contradicting piece of shit.- Could the contract be formulated in such a way that they are more caretakers than owners. [I have no idea what this mean]This is the only reasonable thing you actually wrote, probably because you didn't make any actual statements. What I meant here, with a poor choice of words, is that it is more handled like a franchise.So in short, I hope that you are better at what ever you do than what you are trying to present yourself as here. I'm having a strong suspicion that I have a lot more court experience than you, possibly infinitely more.