Darkfall: New Dawn

General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xipos on September 07, 2017, 06:33:30 am

Title: Don't launch...
Post by: Xipos on September 07, 2017, 06:33:30 am
... Until you've fixed and added necessary content. If you plan on releasing soon with the current state of the game, it will not float for very long. There's too many things that need to be addressed more properly before a launch can even be considered.

* Combat balance - mage is the only real viable option currently, end-game mage beats the rest
* Economy - resource valuation, crafting recipe balancing, rare resource location, city resource nodes, village & trade route reward, gold value (currently really easy to get and very abundant compared to what sinks there are)
* Clan empires - watchtowers, siege system and mechanics


And more. I will write a more hefty thread later on, gotta run out the door now. But please, don't sink this ship Ub3r. Don't rush it, take it slow and get it done properly before you put it out.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: huggmuth on September 07, 2017, 07:56:41 am
You must be retarded.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: _SeeD_ on September 07, 2017, 06:03:36 pm
You must be retarded.
So that would make you literal dog shit, then?
This game needs a lot of what OP mentioned.  @Xipos most, if not all, of things you mentioned are going to be in before launch.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Unknowm Mantra on September 07, 2017, 06:17:32 pm
Xipos always was abit slower than slower one....so its ok
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: ionlypve on September 07, 2017, 08:40:05 pm
Economy and combat balance are needed, rest is just fluff for the moment.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Xipos on September 07, 2017, 09:44:08 pm
Economy and combat balance are needed, rest is just fluff for the moment.

To who? Vets, or new players that will try the game out for the first time? How come the population isn't booming right now if the game is so fun?

It's more than just fluff. With the current direction, we need a whole package, not just parts of a bigger picture. It's essentially what AV did with DF1; Released the game half-finished, with hopes of finishing it down the road.

Xipos always was abit slower than slower one....so its ok

You think the game is ready for launch? Even with the remaining roadmap finished?
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: ionlypve on September 07, 2017, 09:55:26 pm
Economy and combat balance are needed, rest is just fluff for the moment.

To who? Vets, or new players that will try the game out for the first time? How come the population isn't booming right now if the game is so fun?

It's more than just fluff. With the current direction, we need a whole package, not just parts of a bigger picture. It's essentially what AV did with DF1; Released the game half-finished, with hopes of finishing it down the road.

Xipos always was abit slower than slower one....so its ok

You think the game is ready for launch? Even with the remaining roadmap finished?

You are exaggerating how many changes are needed. They have added MANY things that have differed the game from the AV DF, things that will greatly help new players.

As I clearly said, the most important things are economy and combat balancing. The watchtower whatever stuff you mentioned is fluff, it's not needed to make the game succeed.

No idea what you mean by "whole package", that's extremely broad and sounds like something a politician would say.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Mycke on September 07, 2017, 10:01:32 pm
The watchtower whatever stuff you mentioned is fluff, it's not needed to make the game succeed.
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Absolutely disagree with this, the current siege system is horrid and the lack of meaningful territory control is game breaking, because it makes only sieges as really meaningful, but they are horrible.

The watchtower system is part of the new siege system and as a whole give holdings value and means for inter clan conflict of meaning outside of sieges as well s makes sieging a 'campaign' instead of a 21 hours later 3 hour conflict.

Luckily Ub3r plans on doing it before launch....
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: ionlypve on September 07, 2017, 10:28:47 pm
The watchtower whatever stuff you mentioned is fluff, it's not needed to make the game succeed.
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Absolutely disagree with this, the current siege system is horrid and the lack of meaningful territory control is game breaking, because it makes only sieges as really meaningful, but they are horrible.

The watchtower system is part of the new siege system and as a whole give holdings value and means for inter clan conflict of meaning outside of sieges as well s makes sieging a 'campaign' instead of a 21 hours later 3 hour conflict.

Luckily Ub3r plans on doing it before launch....

Siege fixes are needed, but I don't really think Watchtowers "fix" sieging. It's just extra content. Siege fixes revolve around combining the local banking/economy stuff, as well as the more recent meditation changes. Watchtowers as far as I remember, were NOT tied to the week long sieges (which were Uber's direction to fixing sieges).

More areas/things to conquer is certainly good, but fixing the core systems is far more important. We just can't have holdings being worthless, and with local banking, new siege system, and meditation point upkeep I think those are steps in the right direction already.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Mycke on September 07, 2017, 10:31:38 pm
The watchtower whatever stuff you mentioned is fluff, it's not needed to make the game succeed.
.

Absolutely disagree with this, the current siege system is horrid and the lack of meaningful territory control is game breaking, because it makes only sieges as really meaningful, but they are horrible.

The watchtower system is part of the new siege system and as a whole give holdings value and means for inter clan conflict of meaning outside of sieges as well s makes sieging a 'campaign' instead of a 21 hours later 3 hour conflict.

Luckily Ub3r plans on doing it before launch....

Siege fixes are needed, but I don't really think Watchtowers "fix" sieging. It's just extra content. Siege fixes revolve around combining the local banking/economy stuff, as well as the more recent meditation changes. Watchtowers as far as I remember, were NOT tied to the week long sieges.

Incorrect, you can not siege a city until all its surrounding watchtowers are down, they are an core part of the system creating a defensive barrier that prevents an actual siege until destroyed.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: ionlypve on September 07, 2017, 10:33:11 pm
The watchtower whatever stuff you mentioned is fluff, it's not needed to make the game succeed.
.

Absolutely disagree with this, the current siege system is horrid and the lack of meaningful territory control is game breaking, because it makes only sieges as really meaningful, but they are horrible.

The watchtower system is part of the new siege system and as a whole give holdings value and means for inter clan conflict of meaning outside of sieges as well s makes sieging a 'campaign' instead of a 21 hours later 3 hour conflict.

Luckily Ub3r plans on doing it before launch....

Siege fixes are needed, but I don't really think Watchtowers "fix" sieging. It's just extra content. Siege fixes revolve around combining the local banking/economy stuff, as well as the more recent meditation changes. Watchtowers as far as I remember, were NOT tied to the week long sieges.

Incorrect, you can not siege a city until all its surrounding watchtowers are down, they are an core part of the system creating a defensive barrier that prevents an actual siege until destroyed.

Ah ok, so they wanted to combine that with the new siege rules?
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Mycke on September 07, 2017, 10:34:18 pm
The watchtower whatever stuff you mentioned is fluff, it's not needed to make the game succeed.
.

Absolutely disagree with this, the current siege system is horrid and the lack of meaningful territory control is game breaking, because it makes only sieges as really meaningful, but they are horrible.

The watchtower system is part of the new siege system and as a whole give holdings value and means for inter clan conflict of meaning outside of sieges as well s makes sieging a 'campaign' instead of a 21 hours later 3 hour conflict.

Luckily Ub3r plans on doing it before launch....

Siege fixes are needed, but I don't really think Watchtowers "fix" sieging. It's just extra content. Siege fixes revolve around combining the local banking/economy stuff, as well as the more recent meditation changes. Watchtowers as far as I remember, were NOT tied to the week long sieges.

Incorrect, you can not siege a city until all its surrounding watchtowers are down, they are an core part of the system creating a defensive barrier that prevents an actual siege until destroyed.

Ah ok, so they wanted to combine that with the new siege rules?

Its all one system with the territory control and new sieges intertwined. Owning a holding is owning territory as are watchtowers and taking that territory includes taking down those towers and that holding.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: ionlypve on September 07, 2017, 10:42:45 pm
The watchtower whatever stuff you mentioned is fluff, it's not needed to make the game succeed.
.

Absolutely disagree with this, the current siege system is horrid and the lack of meaningful territory control is game breaking, because it makes only sieges as really meaningful, but they are horrible.

The watchtower system is part of the new siege system and as a whole give holdings value and means for inter clan conflict of meaning outside of sieges as well s makes sieging a 'campaign' instead of a 21 hours later 3 hour conflict.

Luckily Ub3r plans on doing it before launch....

Siege fixes are needed, but I don't really think Watchtowers "fix" sieging. It's just extra content. Siege fixes revolve around combining the local banking/economy stuff, as well as the more recent meditation changes. Watchtowers as far as I remember, were NOT tied to the week long sieges.

Incorrect, you can not siege a city until all its surrounding watchtowers are down, they are an core part of the system creating a defensive barrier that prevents an actual siege until destroyed.

Ah ok, so they wanted to combine that with the new siege rules?

Its all one system with the territory control and new sieges intertwined. Owning a holding is owning territory as are watchtowers and taking that territory includes taking down those towers and that holding.

Oh ok. Thanks. I guess I was mistaken for the ROA "watchtower" equivalent, which isn't really an equivalent apparently. I change my opinion, that sounds like it would be really important to have. The most important thing is that we DON'T have a repeat of ROA territories, where nobody cared about losing or fighting for them.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Xipos on September 08, 2017, 06:07:23 am
Yes, watchtowers are among the paramount implementations needed before a launch, part of their "grand scheme" changes they have intertwined. Half-assing and implementing only x% of this intertwined system might leave us with gaps in the economy or overall game balance. Clan holding taxation is in, watchtowers will hopefully be in, but a new siege system has yet to be implemented - and it's not on their roadmap before launch.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Mycke on September 08, 2017, 06:21:10 am
Yes, watchtowers are among the paramount implementations needed before a launch, part of their "grand scheme" changes they have intertwined. Half-assing and implementing only x% of this intertwined system might leave us with gaps in the economy or overall game balance. Clan holding taxation is in, watchtowers will hopefully be in, but a new siege system has yet to be implemented - and it's not on their roadmap before launch.

Wow you are right they are launching with old siege system backed by watchtowers, I would imagine they still will be needed to be taken down before actually sieging a holding, but keeping current rules?
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Xipos on September 08, 2017, 06:26:07 am
Yes, watchtowers are among the paramount implementations needed before a launch, part of their "grand scheme" changes they have intertwined. Half-assing and implementing only x% of this intertwined system might leave us with gaps in the economy or overall game balance. Clan holding taxation is in, watchtowers will hopefully be in, but a new siege system has yet to be implemented - and it's not on their roadmap before launch.

Wow you are right they are launching with old siege system backed by watchtowers, I would imagine they still will be needed to be taken down before actually sieging a holding, but keeping current rules?

I suppose so. Local banking will be in, also possibly raising some issues, combined with runestones being much less common at launch afaik. Sieging a holding some clan owns further away from it's main holding will be easy, and fast, with the current system in place; It's still very much a land-grab, and not so much a war campaign Ub3r has envisioned. The defenders/attackers wipe once, and the siege might be over. Could be problematic for large clans planning to play this at launch, with multiple outposts for trading or w/e. That's just an issue from the top of my head, might be several other ones appearing too. :/
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: coppernik on September 08, 2017, 07:34:17 pm
my two words: do not launch until major graphics update has been released . Too many people reject this game coz it have VERY outdated grahics. You have just one chance.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Wyverex on September 08, 2017, 07:38:22 pm
my two words: do not launch until major graphics update has been released . Too many people reject this game coz it have VERY outdated grahics. You have just one chance.
Nah, interface needs a huge rework asap, but graphics are not a priority. With Shadows and Shader 3.0 game looks okay.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: gatorsmash on September 08, 2017, 08:18:46 pm
Nah, interface needs a huge rework asap, but graphics are not a priority. With Shadows and Shader 3.0 game looks okay.

The UI is tight beyond the active/non inactive window  which is different than most games. The rest of it is completely modular you can make it do anything you want to.

Can we stop with the OMG !1!1 don't launch posts till they actually say they are going to launch.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Wyverex on September 08, 2017, 09:33:03 pm
Nah, interface needs a huge rework asap, but graphics are not a priority. With Shadows and Shader 3.0 game looks okay.

The UI is tight beyond the active/non inactive window  which is different than most games. The rest of it is completely modular you can make it do anything you want to.
Can we stop with the OMG !1!1 don't launch posts till they actually say they are going to launch.
I'll play no matter what, and the point of my post was not "omg, don't launch". But if something's gonna dissuade new players from joining, interface is a bigger problem (and easier to change) than graphics...

PS learn2quote
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Truedon1997 on September 09, 2017, 08:04:09 pm
... Until you've fixed and added necessary content. If you plan on releasing soon with the current state of the game, it will not float for very long. There's too many things that need to be addressed more properly before a launch can even be considered.

* Combat balance - mage is the only real viable option currently, end-game mage beats the rest
* Economy - resource valuation, crafting recipe balancing, rare resource location, city resource nodes, village & trade route reward, gold value (currently really easy to get and very abundant compared to what sinks there are)
* Clan empires - watchtowers, siege system and mechanics


And more. I will write a more hefty thread later on, gotta run out the door now. But please, don't sink this ship Ub3r. Don't rush it, take it slow and get it done properly before you put it out.

Fuck off you wet wipe
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: vanvaldenburg on September 09, 2017, 08:18:02 pm
this forum.....
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Eilistraee on September 09, 2017, 08:54:26 pm
you were no better, you cried a river when I trolled you marking a rune at a Mirdain bank and get u killed by towers bc you were too stupid
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Fnights on September 10, 2017, 11:36:10 am
... Until you've fixed and added necessary content. If you plan on releasing soon with the current state of the game, it will not float for very long. There's too many things that need to be addressed more properly before a launch can even be considered.

* Combat balance - mage is the only real viable option currently, end-game mage beats the rest
* Economy - resource valuation, crafting recipe balancing, rare resource location, city resource nodes, village & trade route reward, gold value (currently really easy to get and very abundant compared to what sinks there are)
* Clan empires - watchtowers, siege system and mechanics


And more. I will write a more hefty thread later on, gotta run out the door now. But please, don't sink this ship Ub3r. Don't rush it, take it slow and get it done properly before you put it out.

You forget 2 more important matters, alignment hits for ARACs clans/alliances and racial wars warfronts. These things are really necessary expecially for new players experience and safety.
Title: Re: Don't launch...
Post by: Battle Smurf on September 10, 2017, 03:48:48 pm
my two words: do not launch until major graphics update has been released . Too many people reject this game coz it have VERY outdated grahics. You have just one chance.

You're an idiot