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General Discussion / Re: Incoming game shut down.
lol, nothing surprising.

The company being in liquidation means they can't really pay their employers neither order / pay for more services (i.e. servers) until the debt is settled. I would bet it's only Marc left at this point doing minimal progress on the patch while trying to find someone who will invest at least 150k to bail out the company from impending liquidation due debts + for simply being unprofitable.

I'd be surprised if the servers are still up in a 2-3 weeks unless there is someone cashing Ub3rgames out.

p.s. Looking forward to read more "they are working on the big patch" / "there is still hope" posts. They are extremely entertaining to read at this point. Even Marc is unable to make such re-assuring statements publicly.
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General Discussion / Re: Donation poll
Enable subs + add gametime tokens and other services. One of the things that BPG did right.

Keeping in mind the current situation, I would make subs optional until the liquidation is solved, but there has to be something extra given to those who sub (i.e. 50% faster meditation or w/e. P2W-like until debt payments can be arranged).
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
To clarify once again:
We were aware of the debt and in touch with collectors about it.
To our awareness, the situation was under control. We would have had additional late fees, and they could eventually come to this.
While not entirely innocent in the matter, we expected to at least have a heads-up.

As we said, we had an almost friendly call with the collectors earlier this week and even had good news for them.
They were happy to discuss an over time payment of the debt. This is why this is all so weird to us.

One point we forgot to address in the previous post is the payment platform.
We either have a badly timed technical issue on it, unlikely, or the issues on it are linked to this case.
We shut it down but left PayPal up, as it covers customers well in case things do turn sour sooner rather than later.

Before making any push, be it marketing wise or with the community, we want to know more about the situation.
The last thing we want is to worsen things by panicking. We'll operate as planned for now, and remain conservative.
Either way, paid race changes are planned for the next patch. We can even move it up by having Marc sleep less and do it manually. :p

Note though that one way to make a good appeal case is to get a decently sized influx of funds after/during the court order.
The option is considered, we just do not want to do it inconsiderately. Refrain from donating unless ready to accept eventual consequences.

For investors, we have been in touch with potential leads and brokers.
The plan was/is to raise what was needed to do a graphics overhaul, cover other debts/expenses and top it off with a marketing campaign.
With how launch went and with the last few months, we had a pretty good case.

This might complicate things, or some may see it an opportunity to get a better deal out of us due to our situation.
Too soon to tell.

Why in the world did you not charge subscription fees when they came due?  The game has been free to play for months now and that revenue would have been more than enough to pay off this debt.
Other than skewing the numbers of active customers when looking for financing/investment, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
Well you dug yourself a hole with this (business wise), to the point where even the community might not be able to bail you out. The damages coming from this will cost you a lot, but I guess you understand it yourselves. Good luck.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
Ub3r post incomming

How do you know xD ?
They have been online for more than an hour
Don't forget, it takes 8 hours for a response to be written.
6 people having an 1.5hour meeting is already more than that, so that is not surprising to me at least.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
Ub3r post incomming

How do you know xD ?
They have been online for more than an hour
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Suggestions / Re: Your top QUICK FIX suggestions
Pay the 78k in debt.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
Interesting that this happens when I went to the subs page for credit cards:

https://ibb.co/gHGGC9

You can't even buy a sub anymore!? Is it just me? This happens as soon as I select the credit card option and it redirects me.........

I've been critical of Uber but I never expected things to go downhill so fast over the summer...........
Do you mean a new account or a sub? cause subs have never been possible
Well you make a new account (that is for free), then in order to play the game you at least have to make initial purchase no? Not sure how that works.

Still, payment processing companies are usually up to date with credit ratings (and liquidation procedures), so it's not surprising that they would disable their account.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
Anyway, what I refuse to believe is that Ub3rgames are THAT retarded. With all the "we have more than enough money for the inDev" and deciding to not charge for subs on release, it seems like they chose to get bankrupt on purpose. With them stating recently they want to go "out of garage" this becomes even more weird. Mind = blown.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
They're officially in Liquidation, stopped paying bills 5th of March 2017
Oh wtf, I realized this is 2017 not 2018...
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
the amount pledged is 78,053. it relates to unpaid contributions (la creance invoquee s'eleve a 78.053. elle est relative a des cotisations impayees)

The claim is 78k euros
GG I guess. 1k subs per month since february would have covered that, that's so weird.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
Links? I just want to see proof so we can see who wins the race for king of the hill between these guys and RoA

3 euros on infogreffe.fr
I don't see any documents for 3eur on infogreffe.fr , care to give a link at least if you can't be asked to share the document (or the screenshot of it)?
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
So trustworthy that their whole monetization is a scam lmao
https://forum.quechoisir.org/arnaque-sur-le-site-de-societe-com-t57397.html

That link only show that there are stupid people that put in their credit card information without reading the terms of the transaction

It's illegal to subscribe you like that
Are you a lawyer? Have you read the terms on the website and analyzed it's comformity with local laws, or are you just going by what 10 people reported on the subforum? Just the fact that they don't go out of their way to make any dumb user understand what he is exactly signing up for resulting in a confusion like this, does not mean they are operating illegally. Might be shady ripoff to make people angry to call it a scam - yes, but that does not necessarily make it illegal.

Google how Microsoft Xbox Live subscription were ran some years ago or people calling Amazon Prime subscriptions scam and you will understand how little the regulations and laws were to protect customers. The situation has only started improving since a few years ago in EU.

Amyway, this is besides the point as even Ub3rgames were not 100% able to deny the fact yet.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
@Xipos did you manage to reach the liquidator? Let us know if so.
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General Discussion / Re: Ub3rgames - Status
@Xipos
How did you find the website?

Started digging, was trying to find info on both Ub3r as a company and the devs. Wanted to see what they've been up to - if they've tried to search for investments lately, or other networking activities. That, and also trying to find some financial reports, and other indicators of how the company is doing. Took me around 10mins to find this, gonna dig deeper now that I'm back home.

Company still lists 2 employees officially, meaning that the rest of their "team" must be freelancers of some kind. Perhaps there's some trouble with the tax filing for these kind of contracts, or one of their guys QQed about not getting paid or something?
The only thing that I could find besides that website is this:

https://www.verif.com/Hit-parade/03-Defaillance/01-Par-departement/94-Val-de-Marne

Basically it's a list of companies "failing financially" in Val de Marne region and Ub3rgames is somehow in that list.
If you go to Ub3rgames in that list, then you can see under "Décisions de justice 05/09/2018   Liquidation judiciaire" (they note that it is coming form an "external source"). Once you click "de détails" (which is more information), then they ask you for 3eur for this document, which should probably provide information on what kind of source that is, but no way I'm paying that.

The verif.com is only a service website and they claim to take data from "Data Altares" ( https://www.altares.com/fr/?lang=en ). Otherwise I have looked into relevant french government sites where there could / should be more data on this, however there is nothing mentioning Liquidation on these websites. I have checked bodacc.fr Infogreffe.fr and actulegales.fr as they were listed as possible sources at https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/R31457 . These seem to be official websites where such info should be available, however they only contain basic information regarding Ub3rgames - the documents regarding company's initiation etc, nothing regarding liquidation.

At this point I believe there are 2 options:
1. (most likely) Somewhere there was an error in the data source of societe.com / verif.com that erroneously marked Ub3rgames as being liquidated due to an error in some non-governmental data source such as  Data Altares (i.e. some company under same address as Ub3r is being liquidated or some other technical error that cause Ub3r to show as being liquidated).
2. The liquidation process is a only just started and even the Ub3rgames haven't received information on to why's.

Let me know if you find anything more.

EDIT: If someone is up to pay 3Eur we could at least see the document based on which they consider the liquidation process started and that could shine some light if that's even legit or erroneous ( https://www.verif.com/produits/UB3RGAMES-814368437/evenement/7475679/ ). I strongly believe verif.com and societe.com are using same source.