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How can I drop a siege if I'm clanless wut.
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Let's reconquest it and vanish those stinky alfars back to their caverns!

Drop a siege then.
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General Discussion / Re: Poll: Should we moderate the forums?
Last post by mrW -
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@Ub3rgames will surely start aggressively moderating the forums when someone self harms due to the rampant bullying that @Ub3rgames allows to continue. But by that point they may find it's too late to start; they'll certainly be sued by family and investigated by France for allowing unregulated bullying in the first place and won't be able to fall back on ignorance that it's been happening.

@Ub3rgames  - the community has overwhelmingly voted in favour of moderation. Do it! Allow constructive criticism, but not toxicity or bullying.
Already happened during inDev with rawrgasm and his buddies finding naturezz's online dating profile and ubergames reluctantly stepped in and took care of it.

You're basically asking for these guys to hurry up and start monitoring online bullying when both offenders and victims have not revealed who their real identities are and are both discussing things pertaining to a video game whether directly or indirectly.

Do you know how odd that sounds?

It's not like this is new to DF, doxxing happened A LOT during the glory days of DFO.

A lot of people here wont remember the SA/COTC/Hyperion days, but a LOT of people got doxxed/attempted blackmailed etc.

Most of the time it comes to nothing just "hahah i know your name and FB profile" like....yeah and? But then when people are stupid enough to use their IGN for dating profiles/weird shit and you can tie it all together it gets a bit weird.

Its 2018, by now we should all know how easy it is to find personal data online.
I'm with you man. Like I can give a fuck either way if someone were to know who I was in real life or find some dating profile but that's only because I'm happy with myself. I'd imagine many gamers are insecure and feel the need to have an image online so when they get found out they get all weird. [...]

You might not care but Ub3rgames likely has to on that front given the EUs new privacy laws, and that Ub3rgames is based in France. Then again the GDPR which at least on the face of it is reasonable, is nothing compared to the new copy right laws being pushed through the EU right now in the form of Article 13. Should those become law I'd say forums such as this will simply be shut down by EU based companies if they can't afford massive moderation. The potential for liability is just too high otherwise.

I dont see how this is actually relevant in this context.

Ub3r's obligations will be to make sure that any information input by a user into their details is not shown publically and cannot be gotten at by other users nor is it utilised internally for marketing etc etc.

If someone chooses the username "xXx420dickgobbler" and tells someone on the forums hes from London. And that person googles xXx420dickgobbler and finds a fetish site user from London called xXx420dickgobbler thats got absolutely nothing to do with Ub3r.
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@Ub3rgames will surely start aggressively moderating the forums when someone self harms due to the rampant bullying that @Ub3rgames allows to continue. But by that point they may find it's too late to start; they'll certainly be sued by family and investigated by France for allowing unregulated bullying in the first place and won't be able to fall back on ignorance that it's been happening.

@Ub3rgames  - the community has overwhelmingly voted in favour of moderation. Do it! Allow constructive criticism, but not toxicity or bullying.
Already happened during inDev with rawrgasm and his buddies finding naturezz's online dating profile and ubergames reluctantly stepped in and took care of it.

You're basically asking for these guys to hurry up and start monitoring online bullying when both offenders and victims have not revealed who their real identities are and are both discussing things pertaining to a video game whether directly or indirectly.

Do you know how odd that sounds?

Not odd at all. You don't need to know someone else's personal identity to bully them online.
True but you're asking a mom and pop dev studio to do this with people who have incognito names. Not even Facebook can effectively police online bullying and everyone knows each other.

You my friend are the new age of thinkers who want rules for everything, the police to investigate the work you listen to your next door neighbor doing and you probably call the cops if someone takes the parking spot you were patiently waiting in que for.

You want all these world issues taken care of by someone else and you want everyone to adhere to the rules yet you have not a care for who will pay to enforce these rules. You just automatically assume it will be taken care of.

Man up

Stop using pointless hyperbole. We're not talking about @Ub3rgames investigating individuals and reporting to the police (though they'll certainly find themselves in the middle of an investigation if something happens), but of them moderating the forums to remove toxicity and harassment. These have no place here, and they have a responsibility to moderate their forums, not to mention a legitimate business interest in doing so. The moment they decided to turn this into a business, they should have prepared for this. Better late than never, but they need to bring this on now.
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@Ub3rgames will surely start aggressively moderating the forums when someone self harms due to the rampant bullying that @Ub3rgames allows to continue. But by that point they may find it's too late to start; they'll certainly be sued by family and investigated by France for allowing unregulated bullying in the first place and won't be able to fall back on ignorance that it's been happening.

@Ub3rgames  - the community has overwhelmingly voted in favour of moderation. Do it! Allow constructive criticism, but not toxicity or bullying.

Well given I intentionally draw their fixations and im sure as hell not going to 'self harm' because of some 80 iq kids on a game forum are mean to me, so I don't think that going to happen any time soon lol

I'm glad you have that strength. While the harassment you receive is certainly an example, there are plenty of other examples of ongoing harassment. @Ub3rgames has a responsibility here that I think they're going to regret ignoring (assuming they do continue ignoring it).

Snowflakes these days.

The world is a hard place, if you kill yourself because someone bullies you online maybe the human race didn't need you breeding into it.

The world isn't full of safe spots, rainbows, and sunshine. The quicker people understand that the better they can deal with reality.

You realise you're playing a game, right? This isn't about teaching people about harsh realities of the real world and to 'man up'. If it were, the adolescent bullies would actually be held accountable and we wouldn't be having this conversation. In the real world adults who don't act like adults don't get very far. Actually, that might explains why some people have so much time to post nonsense here...
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Let's reconquest it and vanish those stinky alfars back to their caverns!
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When guys asking me - what you think will be with DFND? I told to they: Hey! I already bought 3 accounts, thats mean what i belive in future DF. And that I expect to play it for a long time.

Recently, my articles on mmo site about PvP in DF and "Changes in DFND" got big attention, ppl was attracted. Got second place of 2 week: https://mmozg.net/uploads/images/00/00/01/2018/06/19/92c0343483_origin.jpg

And i was invited on live podcast, where we speaks a lot of times about DFND:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNE6DW1VSI

People show great interest for DF and asking a lot about it. Its actualy was not big mmosite and not too much ppl on podcast. But looks, ppl are interested in DF! And lot of ppl even dont know, what is the game like this. Some ppl asking on forums "I want full loot, free pvp". Just post link on df, just give them nice video and they come to the game.
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General Discussion / Re: Possible new player questions
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At 6:06 a lot of ganking :))
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Can't they just make a business that's US based and purely hosts an official/unofficial game forum?
Why would french people based in France do this exclusively for their NA players base?

Like I get the beuracracy issue but what's to stop them from using discord, Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter etc to convey and discuss the topics needing to be discussed?

There's nothing stopping Ub3rgames or anyone else using those platforms (unless they've been banned from those platforms), But those platforms' parent companies will have to comply with the laws themselves if they wish to service people in the EU. Facebook and Twitter already employ algos and large numbers of employees to moderate and censor their platforms and likely welcome such changes. But that's not what I was talking about. Discussing the future moderation of this forum, I'm saying that if these changes become law Ub3rgames will have to delete it to protect themselves. This is because Article 13 makes them become responsible for what we post and link. ... http://www.france24.com/en/20180618-germany-merkel-gets-two-week-deadline-talks-with-other-european-nations-must-report-july-1 ... i just violated Article 11. And if INKARN (who loves memes) comes and makes a meme out of the image of Merkel from that news article and posts it here he just violated the rules as well. But of course it's Ub3rgames who will be liable if they don't promptly remove our offending posts. Zero shits are given about EUs laws by either me in the US or INKARN in Canada, but that hardly helps Ub3rgames.