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Penguins starving to death due to too much ice in late summer
https://phys.org/news/2017-10-thousands-penguin-chicks-starve-antarctica.html

Very sad for our Pengu friends, wish they could get some of that global warming action

  • mrW
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Very sad for our Pengu friends, wish they could get some of that global warming action

I honestly don't expect you to be able to read past the headline, but this is a consequence of a Mertz glacier melting, as written in the same article you have linked:

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Yan Ropert-Coudert, senior penguin scientist at Dumont D'Urville research station, adjacent to the colony, said the region was impacted by environmental changes linked to the breakup of the Mertz glacier.

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Heavy sea ice, combined with unusually warm weather and rain followed by a rapid drop in temperature, resulted in them becoming saturated and freezing to death.
  • Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 02:43:12 pm by mrW

  • nubnax
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psst don't disturb rokaroo with facts. he might break out of his propaganda bubble and realise climate change is happening.

PS:
anoter paragraph from the article:
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But they have been declining in the Antarctic region more generally where climate change has taken its toll, with shifting ice reducing habitat while warming seas affect their prey.
Bala Eregi - SG of Pickaxe Inc

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Oh I read it, it was very predictable, following the sand narrative of course; warming? Co2! Freezing? Co2! It's all mans fault! Its predictable in all the articles, the scientists who write them can't jeopardize their grant money of course.  However, the conclusions they draw as to why there is to much ice in late summer is open too debate. The fact that the ice is there and that penguin are starving because of it are not, though I wouldn't expect a lot of you to be able to discern a fact from an opinion, what with all the appeals to authority you routinely crutch on, as if it were a reasonable argument.

  • nubnax
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you are the one who posted this article here. if it was so predictable why did you post it as proof for your idea that global warming isn't happening. by the way is the increased water temperature in oceans also just an opinion?
are oceans also trying to appeal to authority too much?
Bala Eregi - SG of Pickaxe Inc

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Re: Penguins starving to death due to too much ice in late summer
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While there are always some forces/cliques trying to take advantage/hyping events/theories etc. and there is room for debate, I think it is very unlikely that the  humane caused climate change is made up.

We already tremendously affect the planet with out of control pollution (plastic and toxic chemicals/spills in the sea), we are cutting forests and increasing our numbers at an alarming rate; I hope we soon find another planet and the technology that can permit to transfer life on it or we are all in big trouble.

While the Paris Accord can be criticised from many prospectives, we should all join forces to work on clean energy, non pollutant materials and do it fast.

Regards
HG
  • Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 06:36:23 pm by Hyld
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Re: Penguins starving to death due to too much ice in late summer
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https://phys.org/news/2017-10-thousands-penguin-chicks-starve-antarctica.html

Very sad for our Pengu friends, wish they could get some of that global warming action
You're turning into a parrot.  Stop please.
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

Re: Penguins starving to death due to too much ice in late summer
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True far right, posts an article he thinks supports his delusions because he doesn't bother to read it and then once hes shown how it doesn't say what he thinks, then the article becomes questionable lol.
  • Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 07:30:52 pm by Mycke
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  • mrW
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Re: Penguins starving to death due to too much ice in late summer
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Oh I read it, it was very predictable, following the sand narrative of course; warming? Co2! Freezing? Co2! It's all mans fault! Its predictable in all the articles, the scientists who write them can't jeopardize their grant money of course.  However, the conclusions they draw as to why there is to much ice in late summer is open too debate. The fact that the ice is there and that penguin are starving because of it are not, though I wouldn't expect a lot of you to be able to discern a fact from an opinion, what with all the appeals to authority you routinely crutch on, as if it were a reasonable argument.
Global warming being real or not has nothing to do with this. This thread is a perfect showcase of your own ability to asses information that is presented to you. You chose to instinctively interpret it as supporting a claim that you believe in, rather than trying to understand the information presented to you.

Otherwise, there's little point to try to discuss things in writing with someone who obviously can't read and seeing you try to save face by bringing up random unrelated arguments is just sad.
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Rokaroo is conspiracy theory equivalent.

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So Earth is flat?

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  • nubnax
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-scientist-explains-the-mystery-of-recent-sea-level-drop/

turns out from 2010 to 2011 australias lake Eyre stored more water which had that impact.

btw if you look at this graph you'll see that it was a slight dip compared to the overall trend.



so you just brought up a completely unrelated point to the rest of the thread which again proofs you actually wrong and makes you seem like you are only reading headlines and are way out of your comfort zone when it comes to this topic.

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after looking into it a bit more, it seems that in 2016 and 2017 the sea level also hasn't risen much. but again that's just short term effects. this doesn't change the fact what's happening to the sea levels over a long period and yes if the sea levels would stay that way for an extended period or even sink that would raise interesting questions.
but coming up with shortsighted conclusions without actually researching the why is definitely the wrong way to go at it.
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Bala Eregi - SG of Pickaxe Inc

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that articles from 2013...point is climate predictive models continue to be wrong...even if trend is accurately measured and continues, sea level would only rise about a foot in 100 years...regardless, i'm just saying, I really do love the Penguins, and it's sad to hear them starving to death; wouldn't it be nice to get them some heat? I think we should dump more Co2, not less; they could use some sunlight, don't you think?

btw, not unrelated...the missing water is being turned into ice and snow...which is killing the noble penguins
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the increasing sea levels are only partly a problem because they are a danger for certain coast lines in the world. the oceans are big regulator for our whole climate. a rising sea level indicates drastic changes in the oceans, like changing currents that can have much bigger impact on us than low elevation areas being endangered.

rising sea levels endangering coast lines is just a lot easier to understand than the other consequences. that's why they are mentioned far more often.
Bala Eregi - SG of Pickaxe Inc